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MIPS, China's Loongson CPU Are Both Going All-in on RISC-V

MIPS, China's Loongson CPU Are Both Going All-in on RISC-V | cross pond high tech | Scoop.it

RISC-V is having itself a moment.

What began as an effort to produce an open-source ISA for low-end microcontrollers and other simple kinds of chips is becoming a genuine ecosystem. RISC-V CPUs still can’t challenge the likes of a Cortex-A76 or x86 CPU, but they’re creeping up the performance charts. Two recent developments could give the project a further boost: First, MIPS (formerly Wave Computing) has announced it will begin developing its own RISC-V CPUs. Second, China’s new Loongson CPU, based on the MIPS64 architecture, may be looking for a new ISA.

 

Wave Computing was an AI company developing around a MIPS architecture that eventually bought MIPS Technologies itself before collapsing into bankruptcy. In the aftermath, Wave announced it would rebrand as MIPS. Back in the 1980s and early 1990s, MIPS Technologies (not just MIPS) was a RISC CPU developer who found success in the 1980s before being acquired by SGI in the early 1990s. SGI eventually decided to go with the then-upcoming Itanium in lieu of continuing to develop its own in-house CPUs, so MIPS was reborn as a tech licensing company.

 

MIPS enjoyed a bit of a run very early in the history of Android, but ARM’s growing hegemony drove it from the marketplace. Since then, we haven’t heard much about the ISA. It’s a little odd for Wave Computing to rebrand as MIPS, then declare it was building a new RISC-V CPU, but that’s what the company has done.

 

“Going forward, the restructured business will be known as MIPS, reflecting the company’s strategic focus on the groundbreaking RISC-based processor architectures which were originally developed by MIPS,” a company statement read. “MIPS is developing a new industry-leading standards-based 8th generation architecture, which will be based on the open-source RISC-V processor standard.”

 

As for the Loongson, we’ve talked about this CPU family before. Loongson is one of China’s homegrown CPU efforts and is built around MIPS64. The current iteration of the core is known as the Loongson 3B4000 and is reportedly clocked between 1.8GHz – 2GHz. It offers four cores and is built on a 28nm process. It’s said to offer a 128KB L1 split into 64KB L1i and 64KB L1d, and 256KB of L2 cache per core. There’s an 8MB L3 presumably shared between all cores.

 

The next iteration of the Loongson 5000 series, set to launch this year, will be the last variant of the CPU family to support the MIPS64 architecture. The Loongson 3A5000 is a quad-core chip for client PCs and the Loongson 3C5000 features up to 16 cores and is intended for servers. Both are expected to be fabbed at TSMC on a 12nm process node. THG reports that the chips are based on an internal architecture that’s fully MIPS64 compatible, with larger caches and a new memory controller.

 

Loongson’s executives have stated they are “looking forward to join the open-source instruction consortium,” which is being interpreted to mean that China intends to shift to RISC-V in the future.

 

The timing of these announcements probably isn’t coincidental. CIP United, a Chinese company, controls all MIPS licensing rights in China, Hong Kong, and Macau. It takes a few years to design a new CPU, which is why the Loongson project isn’t moving to RISC-V right away. If the Loongson 5000 family launches in 2021, we could reasonably expect to see the RISC-V-based follow-up in 2023 – 2024.

 

We’re still a few years away from RISC-V CPUs that can stand up to ARM or x86 cores, performance-wise, but there’s been a lot of interesting activity in this space the past few years. China is said to be ramping its efforts to create a semiconductor ecosystem that doesn’t depend on the United States. The country may feel that the open-source nature of the RISC-V ISA offers it the best chance to develop a CPU core that can’t be interdicted.

Philippe J DEWOST's insight:

Intéressant développement en Chine pour l'architecture Risc-V, sur laquelle se penche notamment Loogson, certes inconnu en Europe, mais qui est au cœur des derniers supercalculateurs de l'Empire du Milieu.

 

Même si les performances ne sont pas encore au niveau d'ARM ou d'Intel, elles progressent très rapidement notamment en raison de la communauté Open Source qui développe cette architecture autour d'un jeu d'instructions libre.

 

Il est plausible que la Chine intensifie ses efforts dans ce domaine en vue de créer un écosystème de microprocesseurs totalement indépendant des Etats-Unis et non plus seulement d'Intel. Un cœur de processeur utilisant un pareil jeu d'instructions ne pourrait en effet être facilement interdit d'import/export.

 

La souveraineté numérique n'est pas uniquement une question de discours ou d'argent : l'agilité et la compétence y ont toute leur place.

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Huawei to Launch Smartphones Without Google Android

Huawei to Launch Smartphones Without Google Android | cross pond high tech | Scoop.it
Huawei Technologies will begin selling smartphones capable of running its self-designed operating system next year, as it seeks to keep its consumer business going without Google Android and other U.S. suppliers.
Philippe J DEWOST's insight:

Avoir son propre (design de) processeur semble indispensable pour les acteurs de la #Tech chinois et américains. Il semble que le système d'exploitation soit la prochaine étape.

A la table des négociations l'Europe serait-elle réduite à figurer au menu ? Thierry Breton nous sauvera-t-il ? L'open source est-elle une piste avec RISC-V International ou Open Compute Project Foundation ? Aurions-nous raté une marche depuis l'apparition d'un chapitre "Souveraineté" dans le rapport trop vite enterré de la Mission Lemoine ?

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China Stockpiles Chips, Chip-Making Machines to Resist U.S.

China Stockpiles Chips, Chip-Making Machines to Resist U.S. | cross pond high tech | Scoop.it

Chinese businesses have collectively acquired ~$32B worth of chip manufacturing equipment over the last year, reports Bloomberg; an analysis of trade data shows firms increased spending by ~20 percent when compared with 2019; China also imported $380B worth of chips in 2020, equal to ~18 percent of the country’s total product imports for the year.

Philippe J DEWOST's insight:

Europe is right in the middle of a widening Silicon Rift.

Philippe J DEWOST's curator insight, February 3, 2021 12:51 PM

At the negotiation table, US and China are now seated. Europe is still on the menu.

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Of Amazon's Cloud Monopoly by I, Cringely

Of Amazon's Cloud Monopoly by I, Cringely | cross pond high tech | Scoop.it

Amazon has monopoly power over the public cloud because it clearly sets the price (ever downward) and has the capacity to enforce that price. Amazon is the OPEC of cloud computing and both studies actually show that because both show Amazon gaining share in a market that is simply exploding.

The way you gain share in an exploding market is by exploding more than all the other guys and we can see that at work by comparing IBM’s statement that it would (notice they are speaking about future events) invest $1 billion in cloud infrastructure in the current fiscal year, versus Amazon’s statement that it had (notice they are speaking of events that had already happened) spent $5 billion on cloud infrastructure in the past fiscal year. 

Maybe $1 billion against definitely $5 billion isn’t even a contest. At this rate Amazon’s cloud will continue to grow faster than IBM’s cloud.

Wait, there’s more! Only Amazon can really claim they have a graphical cloud. While not all Amazon servers are equipped with GPUs, enough of them are to support millions of simultaneous seats running graphical apps. No other cloud vendor can claim that.

Having a graphical cloud is important because it is one of those computing milestones we see come along every decade or so to determine who are the real leaders. Think about it. There were mainframes with punched cards (batch systems) then with terminals (interactive systems), then interactive minicomputers, then personal workstations and computers, then graphical computers, mobile computers, networked computers, Internet computers and now cloud computers. Each step established a new hierarchy of vendors and service providers. And it is clear to me that right here, right now Amazon is absolutely dominant in both cloud and graphical cloud computing. They set the price, they set the terms, they have the capacity, and everyone else just plays along or goes out of business.

Philippe J DEWOST's insight:

Stop 1 second thinking of Amazon from the user / developer point of view and reflect about this :

"But there is an important question here and that’s at what point Amazon will be in a position to use lethal cloud force? It’s a market doubling or more in size every year. How many more doubles will it take for Amazon to gain such lethal business power? I’d say five more years will do it.

And when I say do it, think about the company we are talking about. Amazon is unique. No large company in the industry right now has a more effective CEO than Jeff Bezos. No large company has a bigger appetite for calculated risk than does Amazon. No company is more disciplined. And — most importantly — no large company has the ear of Wall Street the way Bezos and Amazon do. They can try and fail in any number of areas (mobile phones, anyone?) and not be punished for it in the market. And in this case that’s because the market is smart, relying on Bezos’ innate ruthlessness."

youngcelery's comment, November 6, 2015 11:16 PM
Its cool :)